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Danny Deger
January 5th 07, 05:37 AM
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Danny Deger
Dudley Henriques
January 5th 07, 04:40 PM
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> Danny Deger
Know the event well, as well as the guy who did it :-)
I think Tex probably sold more airplanes for Boeing that day over the races 
than the sales department could have in ten years. He did get the "word" 
however, not to do it again!!
He had a photo of the airplane inverted hanging in his office for many 
years.
It was a barrel roll BTW, NOT an aileron roll, in case anyone ever asks you. 
He had to keep positive pressure in the oil system.
Dudley Henriques
B A R R Y[_2_]
January 5th 07, 04:46 PM
Dudley Henriques wrote:
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> Know the event well, as well as the guy who did it :-)
You know him?  Cool!
I loved "Jet Age Test Pilot"!
Dudley Henriques
January 5th 07, 05:13 PM
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> You know him?  Cool!
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> I loved "Jet Age Test Pilot"!
Actually "knew him" would be more accurate. Tex died back in 98.
Great guy, and he pulled off one hell of a stunt back there with the 
prototype Dash 80! We always kidded him about it looking like a "whale" 
roll!!! :-))
Dudley Henriques
JonH
January 5th 07, 05:22 PM
I read once that, when questioned about the the roll and the potential 
financial disaster for Boeing if he had crashed, Tex replied that he had 
practiced it already, so he knew that it could be done.
Funny, if true.
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>> Danny Deger
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> Know the event well, as well as the guy who did it :-)
> I think Tex probably sold more airplanes for Boeing that day over the 
> races than the sales department could have in ten years. He did get the 
> "word" however, not to do it again!!
> He had a photo of the airplane inverted hanging in his office for many 
> years.
> It was a barrel roll BTW, NOT an aileron roll, in case anyone ever asks 
> you. He had to keep positive pressure in the oil system.
> Dudley Henriques
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B A R R Y[_2_]
January 5th 07, 05:26 PM
Dudley Henriques wrote:
>  Tex died back in 98.
Very sorry to hear that!
Robert M. Gary
January 5th 07, 06:41 PM
Dudley Henriques wrote:
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> > You know him?  Cool!
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> > I loved "Jet Age Test Pilot"!
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> Actually "knew him" would be more accurate. Tex died back in 98.
> Great guy, and he pulled off one hell of a stunt back there with the
> prototype Dash 80! We always kidded him about it looking like a "whale"
> roll!!! :-))
His son still does interviews about it. His son looks to be social
security age, just goes to show how long ago that was.
-Robert
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> Know the event well, as well as the guy who did it :-)
> I think Tex probably sold more airplanes for Boeing that day over the races
> than the sales department could have in ten years. He did get the "word"
> however, not to do it again!!
> He had a photo of the airplane inverted hanging in his office for many
> years.
> It was a barrel roll BTW, NOT an aileron roll, in case anyone ever asks you.
> He had to keep positive pressure in the oil system.
> Dudley Henriques
I listened to a talk that Tex gave in the cafeteria of the 40-87
building in Everett back when I was working there.  It was probably
1992 or 1993.
His talk was about a P-39 aircobra that he was involved in modifying
for an air race.  One of the things he brought up early in his talk was
about how the landing gear came up in less than 2 seconds.
Unfortunately his memory was getting pretty bad and he kept asking if
he had brought up the fact that the landing gear came up in 2 seconds
throughout his talk.  He must have asked that 15 times over the course
of his talk.  After a while it almost took on the character of a
running joke, and it was hard to show the proper respect and keep a
straight face, especially since my engineering lead was sitting right
next to me with his hand over his face and a supressed laugh every time
Tex asked that question.  I had to avoid looking over at him to avoid
laughing myself.  It was one of those embarassing moments that are so
awkward you can't help but want to laugh.
Yes, I know that old age memory loss is not a laughing matter...
Dean
Kingfish
January 5th 07, 07:33 PM
Dudley Henriques wrote:
> Actually "knew him" would be more accurate. Tex died back in 98.
> Great guy, and he pulled off one hell of a stunt back there with the
> prototype Dash 80! We always kidded him about it looking like a "whale"
> roll!!! :-))
Hey Dudley,
Speaking of whales... D'ya think the structure (spars?) on the A380
would hold up to a barrel roll? Airbus could use some positive press
for that program right about now. That'd be even more spectacular than
the photos of the A380 four-ship from last year!
Dudley Henriques
January 5th 07, 07:45 PM
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>> >> Know the event well, as well as the guy who did it :-)
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>> > You know him?  Cool!
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>> > I loved "Jet Age Test Pilot"!
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>> Actually "knew him" would be more accurate. Tex died back in 98.
>> Great guy, and he pulled off one hell of a stunt back there with the
>> prototype Dash 80! We always kidded him about it looking like a "whale"
>> roll!!! :-))
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> His son still does interviews about it. His son looks to be social
> security age, just goes to show how long ago that was.
>
> -Robert
Had a Q&A once as a guest speaker on aviation with a troop of Cub Scouts. 
One of them asked me what Orville and Wilber Wright were REALLY like!!!!!! 
:-))
Dudley Henriques
Dudley Henriques
January 5th 07, 07:50 PM
Well....you can do a barrel roll all the way down to 1g if you have the 
right parameters set up and execute properly. As near as I can figure, to 
set this up for the 380 you would need about all the sky you could get both 
under you and around you!!!:-))
Dudley Henriques
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> Dudley Henriques wrote:
>> Actually "knew him" would be more accurate. Tex died back in 98.
>> Great guy, and he pulled off one hell of a stunt back there with the
>> prototype Dash 80! We always kidded him about it looking like a "whale"
>> roll!!! :-))
>
> Hey Dudley,
>
> Speaking of whales... D'ya think the structure (spars?) on the A380
> would hold up to a barrel roll? Airbus could use some positive press
> for that program right about now. That'd be even more spectacular than
> the photos of the A380 four-ship from last year!
>
Gig 601XL Builder
January 5th 07, 08:50 PM
Dudley Henriques wrote:
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> Had a Q&A once as a guest speaker on aviation with a troop of Cub
> Scouts. One of them asked me what Orville and Wilber Wright were
> REALLY like!!!!!! :-))
> Dudley Henriques
You had a good group. At least they knew who the Wrights were.
Dudley Henriques
January 5th 07, 08:57 PM
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>> Had a Q&A once as a guest speaker on aviation with a troop of Cub
>> Scouts. One of them asked me what Orville and Wilber Wright were
>> REALLY like!!!!!! :-))
>> Dudley Henriques
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> You had a good group. At least they knew who the Wrights were.
Yeah, great kids, but I unfortunately know 2 Thunderbird pilots and 1 wife 
of many years who will NEVER let me forget THIS one!!!
:-))
Dudley Henriques
Jay Beckman
January 5th 07, 09:56 PM
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I'm fairly certain that this is the actual airframe:
http://www.pbase.com/flyingphotog/image/59871070
It spent 30+ years at AMARC in Tucson, AZ before being "unpickled" and flown 
to Seattle for restoration...then flown to the NASM UH Center.
Jay B
Jay Beckman
January 5th 07, 09:57 PM
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>>> Had a Q&A once as a guest speaker on aviation with a troop of Cub
>>> Scouts. One of them asked me what Orville and Wilber Wright were
>>> REALLY like!!!!!! :-))
>>> Dudley Henriques
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>> You had a good group. At least they knew who the Wrights were.
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> Yeah, great kids, but I unfortunately know 2 Thunderbird pilots and 1 wife 
> of many years who will NEVER let me forget THIS one!!!
> :-))
> Dudley Henriques
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So what WERE they like?!
<g d r>
Jay B
Dudley Henriques
January 5th 07, 11:29 PM
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>>>> Had a Q&A once as a guest speaker on aviation with a troop of Cub
>>>> Scouts. One of them asked me what Orville and Wilber Wright were
>>>> REALLY like!!!!!! :-))
>>>> Dudley Henriques
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>>> You had a good group. At least they knew who the Wrights were.
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>> Yeah, great kids, but I unfortunately know 2 Thunderbird pilots and 1 
>> wife of many years who will NEVER let me forget THIS one!!!
>> :-))
>> Dudley Henriques
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> So what WERE they like?!
"Ouch"!!!    Go to your room Jay!!! :-)
DH
GeorgeC
January 5th 07, 11:30 PM
Well?
On Fri, 5 Jan 2007 13:45:18 -0500, "Dudley Henriques" >
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>Had a Q&A once as a guest speaker on aviation with a troop of Cub Scouts. 
>One of them asked me what Orville and Wilber Wright were REALLY like!!!!!! 
>:-))
>Dudley Henriques
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GeorgeC
Dudley Henriques
January 5th 07, 11:39 PM
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> Well?
Sort of like the Smith Brothers I think, but they coughed less  :-))
DH
GeorgeC
January 5th 07, 11:48 PM
Wilbur died in 1912, but Orville died in 1948. I could have know him. 
I think his last flight was a Connie (as pilot). 
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>Sort of like the Smith Brothers I think, but they coughed less  :-))
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GeorgeC
Dudley Henriques
January 5th 07, 11:58 PM
It had to be strange for Orville, watching the ongoing never ending 
legislation and restrictions and regulations coming into the picture as 
aviation progressed. It had to conflict with his mental images of those 
early days on the beach with the Flyer.
You have to wonder sometimes how someone like Neil Armstrong must feel when 
he's all alone out late walking his dog and looking up at a new full moon? 
Interesting introspective.
Dudley Henriques
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> GeorgeC
mike regish
January 6th 07, 12:32 AM
Did I hear him call it a chandelle?
mike
"Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message 
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> It was a barrel roll BTW, NOT an aileron roll, in case anyone ever asks 
> you. He had to keep positive pressure in the oil system.
> Dudley Henriques
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mike regish
January 6th 07, 12:35 AM
Is it truly an entirely 1 g maneuver? It seems like you would have to pull 
1+ G's at the end. The nose goes down and has to be pulle dback up, no?
mike
"Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message 
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> Well....you can do a barrel roll all the way down to 1g if you have the 
> right parameters set up and execute properly. As near as I can figure, to 
> set this up for the 380 you would need about all the sky you could get 
> both under you and around you!!!:-))
> Dudley Henriques
Dudley Henriques
January 6th 07, 01:29 AM
No it's not entirely a 1g maneuver. This comes up from time to time.
The entry to the roll initiation can either be considered or not considered 
as part of the maneuver. Usually, in the classic sense at least, the entry 
to the roll initiation point is considered as part of the maneuver. In this 
case, you have to pull above 1g leaving level flight and as such, the g 
during this phase of the roll has to be above 1g naturally.
If you have to dive to gain entry airspeed as is the case in low powered 
airplanes like say a clipped winged Cub for example, the climb phase into 
the roll from the entry airspeed point is also above 1g. Also, if the roll 
is done in a way that requires the aircraft to be returned to level flight, 
the exit phase as the nose comes back to level flight will also be above 1 
g.
I should be a bit more clear when I speak peripherally on barrel rolls, as 
many pilots consider them only from the level flight to level flight 
scenario; where as in reality, a barrel roll can be performed from almost 
any attitude of flight; most of these not requiring a return to level flight 
at all....and subsequently not requiring higher entry and exit g.
When I speak of barrel rolls, I should specify that I'm not speaking of the 
classic barrel roll entry and exit.
I speak ONLY of the part of the roll beginning at the initiating point where 
the aircraft begins it's path through 3 dimensional roll. Because this point 
can be executed from various attitudes of flight, it is this point that I 
describe as being capable of being performed at various levels of positive g 
down to 1g.
In other words, I only consider the aircraft in barrel roll when the flight 
path is transitioning through 3 dimensional flight. I use this analogy 
because in actuality, a barrel roll can be initiated from flight attitudes 
other than from the classic level flight entry.
The actual roll can be performed as loosely down to 1g (I've even done them 
completely unloaded) or as tight (higher positive g) as the aircraft's roll 
axis through 3 dimensions will allow (in a fighter for example...a vector or 
lag roll)
To clarify on your point; if a barrel roll is started from level flight and 
ended at level flight, the entry and exit flight path will indeed require 
positive g above 1.
Dudley Henriques
"mike regish" > wrote in message 
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> Is it truly an entirely 1 g maneuver? It seems like you would have to pull 
> 1+ G's at the end. The nose goes down and has to be pulle dback up, no?
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> mike
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>> Well....you can do a barrel roll all the way down to 1g if you have the 
>> right parameters set up and execute properly. As near as I can figure, to 
>> set this up for the 380 you would need about all the sky you could get 
>> both under you and around you!!!:-))
>> Dudley Henriques
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Dudley Henriques
January 6th 07, 01:33 AM
It was a true barrel roll. He had to keep pressure in the scavenger pumps 
and this required positive g all the way around. The g was above 1 going in 
and back to level flight and at 1 through the roll. (through the roll BTW is 
where I describe barrel rolls)
Dudley Henriques
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> Did I hear him call it a chandelle?
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>> It was a barrel roll BTW, NOT an aileron roll, in case anyone ever asks 
>> you. He had to keep positive pressure in the oil system.
>> Dudley Henriques
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Margy Natalie
January 6th 07, 01:42 AM
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> I'm fairly certain that this is the actual airframe:
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> http://www.pbase.com/flyingphotog/image/59871070
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> It spent 30+ years at AMARC in Tucson, AZ before being "unpickled" and flown 
> to Seattle for restoration...then flown to the NASM UH Center.
> 
> Jay B 
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You were at Hazy in May and didn't look me up!?!?!
You can tell it's a 50's airplane just by the paint colors ;-}
Margy
Jay B
January 6th 07, 02:35 AM
Margy Natalie wrote:
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> > I'm fairly certain that this is the actual airframe:
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> > http://www.pbase.com/flyingphotog/image/59871070
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> > It spent 30+ years at AMARC in Tucson, AZ before being "unpickled" and flown
> > to Seattle for restoration...then flown to the NASM UH Center.
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> > Jay B
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> You were at Hazy in May and didn't look me up!?!?!
I could swear I "Pinged" you in advance.  I seem to recall you were up
to your eyeballs in something at that time.  If my travel plans for
this coming May match last May, I'll probably be able to visit again.
> You can tell it's a 50's airplane just by the paint colors ;-}
Air Deco?  :O)
Jay B
Dudley Henriques
January 6th 07, 02:46 AM
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>> > I'm fairly certain that this is the actual airframe:
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>> > http://www.pbase.com/flyingphotog/image/59871070
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>> > It spent 30+ years at AMARC in Tucson, AZ before being "unpickled" and 
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>> > to Seattle for restoration...then flown to the NASM UH Center.
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>> > Jay B
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>> You were at Hazy in May and didn't look me up!?!?!
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> I could swear I "Pinged" you in advance.  I seem to recall you were up
> to your eyeballs in something at that time.  If my travel plans for
> this coming May match last May, I'll probably be able to visit again.
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>> You can tell it's a 50's airplane just by the paint colors ;-}
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> Air Deco?  :O)
.......and don't forget pegged wheelpants!!!
:-))
Dudley Henriques
Danny Deger
January 6th 07, 02:49 AM
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> Did I hear him call it a chandelle?
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Yes he did.  I don't understand why he said that.  Maybe he did a chandelle 
before he did the barrel roll and it didn't make the video
Danny Deger
Matt Barrow
January 6th 07, 03:25 AM
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> Had a Q&A once as a guest speaker on aviation with a troop of Cub Scouts. 
> One of them asked me what Orville and Wilber Wright were REALLY like!!!!!! 
> :-))
When you flew during the war, was it the blue or the grey?
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Dudley Henriques
January 6th 07, 03:52 AM
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>> Had a Q&A once as a guest speaker on aviation with a troop of Cub Scouts. 
>> One of them asked me what Orville and Wilber Wright were REALLY 
>> like!!!!!! :-))
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> When you flew during the war, was it the blue or the grey?
PLEASE Matt!!! Try to be "CIVIL" here :-)))))
Dudley Henriques
mike regish
January 6th 07, 03:58 AM
What I meant was, during the interview, I though I heard Tex call it a 
chandelle.
mike
"Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message 
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> It was a true barrel roll. He had to keep pressure in the scavenger pumps 
> and this required positive g all the way around. The g was above 1 going 
> in and back to level flight and at 1 through the roll. (through the roll 
> BTW is where I describe barrel rolls)
> Dudley Henriques
Dudley Henriques
January 6th 07, 04:11 AM
"mike regish" > wrote in message 
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> What I meant was, during the interview, I though I heard Tex call it a 
> chandelle.
I'm sorry, but I've not seen this interview and he never mentioned Chandelle 
with us that I can remember.
Just off the top of my head, he might have been referring to the extreme 
high nose attitude he had to attain before initiating the roll off the 
climb. The roll he did had an extremely loose and wide parameter and in 
order to keep the exit speed in line he couldn't allow the nose to get WAY 
down in the recovery. This required a VERY high entry nose attitude above 
the horizon so that when past inverted going around, the nose attitude on 
recovery would be low but not THAT low. After recovery, he just eased the 
bird back to level flight from it's nose low position.
The reference to a Chandelle could have been Tex's way of emphasizing how 
high the nose actually had to be, and not so much a direct reference to a 
Chandelle being performed.
Personally, I'm not qualified in anything that large, but my guess based 
simply on the energy involved would be that the Dash 80 would be VERY hard 
pressed to perform a Chandelle without stalling out due to drag rise before 
a max altitude/180 degree position change had been reached. Could 
be.......but I'd like to actually see that before I'd believe it. However, 
if anyone could do it, Tex would have been the guy to try it! :-)
Dudley Henriques
Robert M. Gary
January 6th 07, 05:06 AM
Kingfish wrote:
> Dudley Henriques wrote:
> > Actually "knew him" would be more accurate. Tex died back in 98.
> > Great guy, and he pulled off one hell of a stunt back there with the
> > prototype Dash 80! We always kidded him about it looking like a "whale"
> > roll!!! :-))
>
> Hey Dudley,
>
> Speaking of whales... D'ya think the structure (spars?) on the A380
> would hold up to a barrel roll? Airbus could use some positive press
> for that program right about now. That'd be even more spectacular than
> the photos of the A380 four-ship from last year!
I hope it could hold up to 1 g. According to the history channel, the
head guys called the pilot to the mat and brought in some engineers.
Their main concern was that the aircraft was not certified for neg g's
and they thought fuel/oil/etc could unport. When the pilot explained to
him that he never got over 1.5 g's they seemed calmer.
-Robert
Ron Wanttaja
January 6th 07, 05:18 AM
On 5 Jan 2007 10:00:58 -0800,  wrote:
>I listened to a talk that Tex gave in the cafeteria of the 40-87
>building in Everett back when I was working there.  It was probably
>1992 or 1993.
>
>His talk was about a P-39 aircobra that he was involved in modifying
>for an air race.  One of the things he brought up early in his talk was
>about how the landing gear came up in less than 2 seconds.
>Unfortunately his memory was getting pretty bad and he kept asking if
>he had brought up the fact that the landing gear came up in 2 seconds
>throughout his talk. 
>
>Yes, I know that old age memory loss is not a laughing matter...
He came and talked to our EAA Chapter about that time, and we discussed writing
after he signed a copy of his book for me.  About nine months later, we happened
to meet in an elevator. He remembered me, and that I was a fellow author. 
Wasn't all gone....
Ron Wanttaja
Jose[_1_]
January 6th 07, 05:19 AM
> The nose goes down and has to be pulle dback up, no?
No.  Not crashing afterwards was not part of the requirements.  :)
Jose
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Jose[_1_]
January 6th 07, 05:39 AM
> No.  Not crashing afterwards was not part of the requirements.  :)
Ok, (responding to myself), I was responding to the wrong scenario.  For 
Tex Johnson's 707, not crashing was important.  I was thinking of the 
theoretical question in a different (sub?)thread.
Jose
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Jay Beckman
January 6th 07, 06:58 AM
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>>> Had a Q&A once as a guest speaker on aviation with a troop of Cub 
>>> Scouts. One of them asked me what Orville and Wilber Wright were REALLY 
>>> like!!!!!! :-))
>>
>> When you flew during the war, was it the blue or the grey?
>
> PLEASE Matt!!! Try to be "CIVIL" here :-)))))
> Dudley Henriques
>
"Listen..Ah Say Listen to me when Ah'm a talkin' to ya boy..."
($1 to Mel Blanc and Foghorn Leghorn...)
Jay B
Montblack
January 6th 07, 08:57 AM
("Matt Barrow" wrote)
> When you flew during the war, was it the blue or the grey?
"...three if by air"
I wonder if the other side's pilots wore red coats.  :-)
"What a revolting development this is!"
<(Daffy) Ducking and running>
Montblack-powder
Bob Moore
January 6th 07, 02:16 PM
Jose wrote
> Ok, (responding to myself), I was responding to the wrong scenario.  For 
> Tex Johnson's 707, not crashing was important.  I was thinking of the 
> theoretical question in a different (sub?)thread.
Not just for Jose, but for everyone in this thread, Tex spelled his
name "Johnston", and he did not roll a "707".
From Wikipedia:
Alvin M. "Tex" Johnston (August 18, 1914 - November 14, 1998) was a test 
pilot for Bell Aircraft and the Boeing Company. He is best known for 
rolling the Boeing model 367-80 (better known as the Dash-80, the prototype 
of the KC-135 Stratotanker, which was the basis for the 707) in a 
demonstration flight over Lake Washington on August 7, 1955. The maneuver 
was caught on film and is frequently shown on the Discovery Wings cable 
channel in a three-minute short as part of the Touched by History series.
Bob Moore
Ron Natalie
January 6th 07, 03:01 PM
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>> Dudley Henriques wrote:
>>> Know the event well, as well as the guy who did it :-)
>> You know him?  Cool!
>>
>> I loved "Jet Age Test Pilot"!
> 
> Actually "knew him" would be more accurate. Tex died back in 98.
> Great guy, and he pulled off one hell of a stunt back there with the 
> prototype Dash 80! We always kidded him about it looking like a "whale" 
> roll!!! :-))
> Dudley Henriques 
> 
Tex is gone, but the Dash 80, restored to it's original (ugly) brown
and yellow paint scheme stands in the Smithsonian's Udvar-Hazy center.
Dudley Henriques
January 6th 07, 03:58 PM
"Bob Moore" > wrote in message 
 46.128...
> Jose wrote
>> Ok, (responding to myself), I was responding to the wrong scenario.  For
>> Tex Johnson's 707, not crashing was important.  I was thinking of the
>> theoretical question in a different (sub?)thread.
>
> Not just for Jose, but for everyone in this thread, Tex spelled his
> name "Johnston", and he did not roll a "707".
He spelled his name Johnston because that was his name, and the prototype 
Dash 80 has been established several times in this thread.
Please specifify to whom you are addressing your corrections. General 
corrections really **** people off!
Dudley Henriques
Blueskies
January 6th 07, 04:46 PM
"Jay Beckman" > wrote in message ...
:
: "Danny Deger" > wrote in message
: ...
: > http://www.orizzle.com/htm/v/020.htm
: >
: > Danny Deger
: >
:
: I'm fairly certain that this is the actual airframe:
:
: http://www.pbase.com/flyingphotog/image/59871070
:
: It spent 30+ years at AMARC in Tucson, AZ before being "unpickled" and flown
: to Seattle for restoration...then flown to the NASM UH Center.
:
: Jay B
:
:
It looks aerobatic just sitting there!
:-)
Matt Barrow
January 6th 07, 06:45 PM
"Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message 
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> "Matt Barrow" > wrote in message 
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>> "Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message 
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>>>
>>> Had a Q&A once as a guest speaker on aviation with a troop of Cub 
>>> Scouts. One of them asked me what Orville and Wilber Wright were REALLY 
>>> like!!!!!! :-))
>>
>> When you flew during the war, was it the blue or the grey?
>
> PLEASE Matt!!! Try to be "CIVIL" here :-)))))
> Dudley Henriques
Sorry if I seem rebellious! :~)
Dudley Henriques
January 6th 07, 07:00 PM
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> "Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message 
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>> "Matt Barrow" > wrote in message 
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>>> "Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message 
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>>>>
>>>> Had a Q&A once as a guest speaker on aviation with a troop of Cub 
>>>> Scouts. One of them asked me what Orville and Wilber Wright were REALLY 
>>>> like!!!!!! :-))
>>>
>>> When you flew during the war, was it the blue or the grey?
>>
>> PLEASE Matt!!! Try to be "CIVIL" here :-)))))
>> Dudley Henriques
>
> Sorry if I seem rebellious! :~)
"Fear not" he said as he looked downward and took his Viagra, "the South 
shall rise again!!!!!!!!!!!!"
:-))
DH
Matt Barrow
January 6th 07, 07:02 PM
"Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message 
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>>
>> Not just for Jose, but for everyone in this thread, Tex spelled his
>> name "Johnston", and he did not roll a "707".
>
> He spelled his name Johnston because that was his name, and the prototype 
> Dash 80 has been established several times in this thread.
> Please specifify
Spiffy?
> to whom you are addressing your corrections. General corrections really 
> **** people off!
Spiffy****y?
BARTENDER!!...
Matt Barrow
January 6th 07, 07:04 PM
"Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message 
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> "Matt Barrow" > wrote in message 
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>> "Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message 
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>>> "Matt Barrow" > wrote in message 
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>>>> "Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message 
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>>>>>
>>>>> Had a Q&A once as a guest speaker on aviation with a troop of Cub 
>>>>> Scouts. One of them asked me what Orville and Wilber Wright were 
>>>>> REALLY like!!!!!! :-))
>>>>
>>>> When you flew during the war, was it the blue or the grey?
>>>
>>> PLEASE Matt!!! Try to be "CIVIL" here :-)))))
>>> Dudley Henriques
>>
>> Sorry if I seem rebellious! :~)
>
> "Fear not" he said as he looked downward and took his Viagra, "the South 
> shall rise again!!!!!!!!!!!!"
> :-))
"I'm age the age when what don't hurt, don't work." -- Rodney Dangerfield
Dudley Henriques
January 6th 07, 07:27 PM
"Matt Barrow" > wrote in message 
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>
> "Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message 
> ...
>
>>>
>>> Not just for Jose, but for everyone in this thread, Tex spelled his
>>> name "Johnston", and he did not roll a "707".
>>
>> He spelled his name Johnston because that was his name, and the prototype 
>> Dash 80 has been established several times in this thread.
>> Please specifify
>
> Spiffy?
>
>> to whom you are addressing your corrections. General corrections really 
>> **** people off!
>
> Spiffy****y?
>
> BARTENDER!!...
Don't you hate it when you post something like this after hitting the spell 
checker only to find out that Microsoft for some ungodly reason known only 
to them decided that "specifify" is actually a word?????????????????
Or it COULD be fat fingers.......................then again it could be SLOW 
fingers.................then again it could be a FAST repeater keyboard 
setting......................or perhaps the cat...............YES!!! That's 
IT!!!! It was the cat!! He jumped up on my lap at the exact moment I was 
typing that word.
I have disciplined the cat. This should not happen again! :-))))
Dudley Henriques
P.S. The spell checker is now showing specify as the correct spelling :-))
Matt Barrow
January 6th 07, 07:33 PM
"Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message 
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> "Matt Barrow" > wrote in message 
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>> "Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message 
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>>
>>>>
>>>> Not just for Jose, but for everyone in this thread, Tex spelled his
>>>> name "Johnston", and he did not roll a "707".
>>>
>>> He spelled his name Johnston because that was his name, and the 
>>> prototype Dash 80 has been established several times in this thread.
>>> Please specifify
>>
>> Spiffy?
>>
>>> to whom you are addressing your corrections. General corrections really 
>>> **** people off!
>>
>> Spiffy****y?
>>
>> BARTENDER!!...
>
> Don't you hate it when you post something like this after hitting the 
> spell checker only to find out that Microsoft for some ungodly reason 
> known only to them decided that "specifify" is actually a 
> word?????????????????
> Or it COULD be fat fingers.......................then again it could be 
> SLOW fingers.................then again it could be a FAST repeater 
> keyboard setting......................or perhaps the 
> cat...............YES!!! That's IT!!!! It was the cat!! He jumped up on my 
> lap at the exact moment I was typing that word.
> I have disciplined the cat. This should not happen again! :-))))
> Dudley Henriques
> P.S. The spell checker is now showing specify as the correct spelling :-))
"People going around saying 'Romans go to the house'?"
Dudley Henriques
January 6th 07, 07:41 PM
"Matt Barrow" > wrote in message 
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>
> "Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message 
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>> "Matt Barrow" > wrote in message 
>> ...
>>>
>>> "Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message 
>>> ...
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Not just for Jose, but for everyone in this thread, Tex spelled his
>>>>> name "Johnston", and he did not roll a "707".
>>>>
>>>> He spelled his name Johnston because that was his name, and the 
>>>> prototype Dash 80 has been established several times in this thread.
>>>> Please specifify
>>>
>>> Spiffy?
>>>
>>>> to whom you are addressing your corrections. General corrections really 
>>>> **** people off!
>>>
>>> Spiffy****y?
>>>
>>> BARTENDER!!...
>>
>> Don't you hate it when you post something like this after hitting the 
>> spell checker only to find out that Microsoft for some ungodly reason 
>> known only to them decided that "specifify" is actually a 
>> word?????????????????
>> Or it COULD be fat fingers.......................then again it could be 
>> SLOW fingers.................then again it could be a FAST repeater 
>> keyboard setting......................or perhaps the 
>> cat...............YES!!! That's IT!!!! It was the cat!! He jumped up on 
>> my lap at the exact moment I was typing that word.
>> I have disciplined the cat. This should not happen again! :-))))
>> Dudley Henriques
>> P.S. The spell checker is now showing specify as the correct spelling 
>> :-))
>
> "People going around saying 'Romans go to the house'?"
Oh NO!! Not Python!!!! Man, do you realize that you are dealing here with a 
man who took 15 years to figure out what the hell
"Kaniggits" meant??????????????????? (Knights :-))
DH
Jose[_1_]
January 6th 07, 07:52 PM
> Man, do you realize that you are dealing here with a 
> man who took 15 years to figure out what the hell
> "Kaniggits" meant??????????????????? (Knights :-))
Actually, that was the correct pronounciation at that time.
Jose
-- 
He who laughs, lasts.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.
Dudley Henriques
January 6th 07, 08:09 PM
"Richard Riley" > wrote in message 
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> On Sat, 6 Jan 2007 13:41:52 -0500, "Dudley Henriques"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>"Matt Barrow" > wrote in message
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>>>
>>> "Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>>
>>>> "Matt Barrow" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>>
>>>>> "Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not just for Jose, but for everyone in this thread, Tex spelled his
>>>>>>> name "Johnston", and he did not roll a "707".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> He spelled his name Johnston because that was his name, and the
>>>>>> prototype Dash 80 has been established several times in this thread.
>>>>>> Please specifify
>>>>>
>>>>> Spiffy?
>>>>>
>>>>>> to whom you are addressing your corrections. General corrections 
>>>>>> really
>>>>>> **** people off!
>>>>>
>>>>> Spiffy****y?
>>>>>
>>>>> BARTENDER!!...
>>>>
>>>> Don't you hate it when you post something like this after hitting the
>>>> spell checker only to find out that Microsoft for some ungodly reason
>>>> known only to them decided that "specifify" is actually a
>>>> word?????????????????
>>>> Or it COULD be fat fingers.......................then again it could be
>>>> SLOW fingers.................then again it could be a FAST repeater
>>>> keyboard setting......................or perhaps the
>>>> cat...............YES!!! That's IT!!!! It was the cat!! He jumped up on
>>>> my lap at the exact moment I was typing that word.
>>>> I have disciplined the cat. This should not happen again! :-))))
>>>> Dudley Henriques
>>>> P.S. The spell checker is now showing specify as the correct spelling
>>>> :-))
>>>
>>
>>> "People going around saying 'Romans go to the house'?"
>>
>>Oh NO!! Not Python!!!! Man, do you realize that you are dealing here with 
>>a
>>man who took 15 years to figure out what the hell
>>"Kaniggits" meant??????????????????? (Knights :-))
>>DH
>
> Ni.
I have to admit it , seeing that cow come over the battlements off that 
Trebuchet was a rib tickler! :-)
DH
Dudley Henriques
January 6th 07, 08:15 PM
"Jose" > wrote in message 
. net...
>> Man, do you realize that you are dealing here with a man who took 15 
>> years to figure out what the hell
>> "Kaniggits" meant??????????????????? (Knights :-))
>
> Actually, that was the correct pronounciation at that time.
>
> Jose
> -- 
> He who laughs, lasts.
> for Email, make the obvious change in the address.
You mean now I'll have to change my favorite quote to read;
"Once a King always a King, but once a Kaniggits enough"  ??????????????
DH
Jose[_1_]
January 6th 07, 09:10 PM
> You mean now I'll have to change my favorite quote to read;
> 
> "Once a King always a King, but once a Kaniggits enough"  ??????????????
Only if you want it to sound the same as it did when you were a kid.
<g>  Jose
-- 
He who laughs, lasts.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.
Dudley Henriques
January 6th 07, 09:12 PM
"Richard Riley" > wrote in message 
...
>Now go away or I shall taunt you a second time. ...
Our son Buddy"s favorite line :-)
DH
Dudley Henriques
January 6th 07, 09:15 PM
"Jose" > wrote in message 
 et...
>> You mean now I'll have to change my favorite quote to read;
>>
>> "Once a King always a King, but once a Kaniggits enough"  ??????????????
>
> Only if you want it to sound the same as it did when you were a kid.
>
> <g>  Jose
Hey.......I'm STILL a kid!!! Just a little "older" kid, that's all!! 
:-)
DH
Jose[_1_]
January 6th 07, 09:22 PM
> Hey.......I'm STILL a kid!!
I guess I can't get your goat then.
Jose
-- 
He who laughs, lasts.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.
Dudley Henriques
January 6th 07, 09:25 PM
"Jose" > wrote in message 
 t...
>> Hey.......I'm STILL a kid!!
>
> I guess I can't get your goat then.
Not "Baaaaaaaad" Jose
:-)
Jose[_1_]
January 6th 07, 10:27 PM
> Not "Baaaaaaaad" Jose
It's great that you don't mind being the butt of the jokes.
Jose
-- 
He who laughs, lasts.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.
Dudley Henriques
January 6th 07, 10:36 PM
"Jose" > wrote in message 
 t...
>> Not "Baaaaaaaad" Jose
>
> It's great that you don't mind being the butt of the jokes.
Could it possibly be..............that Shakespeare was right after 
all???????????????????  :-))
DH
mike regish
January 7th 07, 02:37 PM
Some kid somewhere developed a software fix for that. It actually can 
determine cat-like typing and lock out the keyboard.
There goes that excuse from now on. :-)
mike
"Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message 
...
.......................or perhaps the cat...............YES!!! That's
> IT!!!! It was the cat!! He jumped up on my lap at the exact moment I was 
> typing that word.
> I have disciplined the cat. This should not happen again! :-))))
> Dudley Henriques
> P.S. The spell checker is now showing specify as the correct spelling :-))
>
Dudley Henriques
January 7th 07, 11:15 PM
:-))
DH
"mike regish" > wrote in message 
. ..
> Some kid somewhere developed a software fix for that. It actually can 
> determine cat-like typing and lock out the keyboard.
>
> There goes that excuse from now on. :-)
>
> mike
> "Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message 
> ...
>
> ......................or perhaps the cat...............YES!!! That's
>> IT!!!! It was the cat!! He jumped up on my lap at the exact moment I was 
>> typing that word.
>> I have disciplined the cat. This should not happen again! :-))))
>> Dudley Henriques
>> P.S. The spell checker is now showing specify as the correct spelling 
>> :-))
>>
>
>
Ron Wanttaja wrote:
> On 5 Jan 2007 10:00:58 -0800,  wrote:
>
> >I listened to a talk that Tex gave in the cafeteria of the 40-87
> >building in Everett back when I was working there.  It was probably
> >1992 or 1993.
> >
> >His talk was about a P-39 aircobra that he was involved in modifying
> >for an air race.  One of the things he brought up early in his talk was
> >about how the landing gear came up in less than 2 seconds.
> >Unfortunately his memory was getting pretty bad and he kept asking if
> >he had brought up the fact that the landing gear came up in 2 seconds
> >throughout his talk.
> >
> >Yes, I know that old age memory loss is not a laughing matter...
>
> He came and talked to our EAA Chapter about that time, and we discussed writing
> after he signed a copy of his book for me.  About nine months later, we happened
> to meet in an elevator. He remembered me, and that I was a fellow author.
>
> Wasn't all gone....
>
> Ron Wanttaja
Ron,
That's good to hear...  At the time it was unclear to me why he was
having so much trouble remembering what he had already said 12 times
before...
Dean
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